The new Direct Action and the Labor Party question

 at 11:41 am on Monday, July 14, 2008

It’s no secret that in the internal battle inside the DSP I have been, broadly speaking, more sympathetic to the minority that has now been expelled from the DSP and started publishing Direct Action. This sympathy was based on my estimate that, taken as a whole, they are a more serious group of people, particularly the younger ones, and more interested in Marxist theory, and to some extent the history of the labour movement.

I also believe that their critique of the DSP leadership?s Socialist Alliance adventure was by and large accurate and they had the best of that debate by a country mile.

The DSP majority as most people on the left are aware, seems to be led by political adventurers whom I trust politically about as far as I could throw the Sydney Town Hall.

Nevertheless, in the final analysis, political line and practice must be the point of departure in socialist politics. I am beginning to feel about the comrades producing Direct Action the way Cannon felt, as he reports in the History of American Trotskyism. In a very funny anecdote Cannon recounts that after the Left Opposition was expelled in 1928, they were contacted by the leaders of the old underground faction of the early American Communist Party who indicated in their communication that they were in agreement with Trotsky’s criticism of the line of the Comintern.

Cannon went up to Boston to see them, and he was initially a bit amazed that they insisted on using their pseudonyms from the old communist underground. They then had a discussion with Cannon in which they indicated their general agreement with the political line of the Cannon-led communist opposition, but at the very end of the discussion they said they only had one condition, that the new party had to be underground. As Cannon tells it, he had a little more desultory conversation, cracked a few jokes and put his hat on and went back to New York and never saw them again.

It seems to me that the producers of Direct Action are just a bit like the leaders of the old communist underground. Personally I have always been a bit of a Jacobite. In a long political life I have learnt that majorities are not always right and minorities are often right, and I am often initially inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to minorities.

Nevertheless, some minorities are just nuts and their politics are to be avoided. It seems to me that this applies to the strategic attitude displayed so far by Direct Action to the workers movement, the trade unions, the Labor Party, and the current struggle in NSW against electricity privatisation.

It has to be said that they are not entirely consistent in this approach. There is a striking difference between the attitude displayed to the trade union struggle by Ian Jamieson in his article about the Maritime Union conference on the one hand, and the articles by Owen Richards and Andrew Martin in Direct Action No 2, and Allan Myers on the web.

By and large I agree with Jamieson?s approach but the other articles are shot through with the attempt to score off political opponents, and are informed by a totally unscientific view of the workers movement. Andrew Martin baldly says that workers should campaign for disaffiliation from the ALP. (This is at precisely the moment when a major immediate strategic objective of the ruling class is to end union influence in the Labor Party. It seems to me that socialists who find that their strategy approximates to the strategy of the ruling class ought, if they had any sense, immediately re-examine their strategy.)

Martin also advances the timeless slogan, which apparently Direct Action shares with the Melbourne-based Socialist Party, of forming a new worker?s party. The problem with this demand is that it is plucked out of the sky.

In the Leninist tradition, slogans should have some connection with current developments and circumstances or they are worse than useless. The demand for a new workers party has no hinge with current Australian circumstances. It is in fact a left-sounding formula for abstention from the current conflicts in the workers movement.

Owen Richards? article about the electricity privatisation struggle is clearly a kind of line article. He accuses all socialist groups that have taken an active interest in, and given any kind of support to, the agitation against electricity privatisation throughout the labour movement of "official optimism" and he ascribes that to a quote from Lenin.

He doesn?t give any of the context for this Lenin quote. When quoting Lenin, or anyone else among the founders of the Marxist movement for that matter, the context of the quote is always decisive. What we know about Lenin?s approach to politics is that he himself was, as his understanding evolved and developed, correctly obsessed with context. (In this respect Owens and the other RSP comrades ought to carefully study the new book edited by Slaoj Zizek about the mature development of Lenin?s philosophical approach in his encounter with Hegel in the middle of the First World War. Unfortunately, most people quoting Lenin do so in a rather mechanical materialist way that takes no account of the mature Lenin.)

Owen Richards should tell us the context of the quote he is using, or is he just tossing off some phrase that Doug Lorimer or Allan Myers came up with, from their undoubtedly extraordinary memories of the works of Lenin. Doug in particular is brilliant at finding the appropriate quote to buttress an argument, but in my view he is much weaker on context.

Owen Richards lambasts the assorted socialist groups and individual socialists who he says are soft on the bureaucracy, which most certainly includes yours truly, for ignoring the timeless role of the bureaucracy to betray all struggles. In this he sounds quite a bit like the World Socialist Web Site.

The difficulty with this approach is that it takes no account of contradictions and developments at all. Betrayers of the working class dominate everything in the workers movement according to this version and their power is so great that no partial victories are possible. The clear implication is that the working class has to wait around for the socialist revolution led by the particular self-appointed leadership (you can take your pick, World Socialist Web Site, RSP, or whatever).

Comrade Richards even says quite baldly "and because it is not a serious fight by those ‘leading’, the opposition to privatisation will most likely be defeated in either the short or medium term. It will be back next year or the year after, perhaps presented by a Liberal-led state government".

What a bald, timeless statement of pessimism about the worker?s movement is involved in that view. All it is really saying is that nothing can be done short of the socialist revolution. Of course the ruling class is constantly pressing to privatise everything. That is what the battle is about. And it is just the fact that the masses, and even the existing trade union bureaucracy can see this that?s driving the popular struggle against these privatisations.

Obviously the masses and the trade union bureaucracy aren?t struggling for the socialist revolution, but they are pretty anxious to defeat the privatisations.

Even the Russian Revolution wasn?t initially a revolution for socialism. It was a revolution for peace, land and bread ? very simple immediate demands, relevant to the context of the time. In the modern context, fighting privatisation of essential utilities is pretty similar to the struggle for peace, land and bread.

Richards’ half-remembered out-of-context Lenin quote can be matched by other quotes much more in context. I can quote the founders of the socialist movement as well as the next person who has read a few books, but I much prefer to put my quotes in some sort of relevant historical framework. The ignorant trading of Lenin and Trotsky quotes in polemics is one of the besetting sins in discussions in the socialist movement and becomes a kind of lunatic parlour game, which in fact does a disservice to the founders, their political activity and their theoretical understanding.

Nevertheless the network of quotes that I would recommend to Richards and the RSP are from Trotsky’s writings on the struggle against fascism in Germany. In polemiscising against the Stalinists, who said the communists could never unite with the Social Democratic police chief in Berlin, who had been in a sense responsible for the murder of Liebknect and Luxembourg, Trotsky made the point that this was demagogy, and not useful to the struggle against fascism because it tended to blur the real conflicts of interest between the fascists and the bureaucracy in the workers movement, whose interests lay, in the final analysis, in preserving the workers movement, of which they were the bureaucracy.

Trotsky even made the rather prescient prediction that the Nazis would probably even put the Social Democratic police chief in jail, which in fact they did in due course.

This analogy, in context, is in fact quite useful. It’s not a question of "official optimism" as Owen Richards says, but a question of the kind of official pessimism that underlay the suicidal Stalinist Third Period in Germany. Richards’ approach to the trade union bureaucracy is pretty much the same as that of the Stalinists in Germany in 1932.

Richards goes on to say "the reality is there can?t be a serious union campaign against the neoliberal policies of a Labor government while the unions remain tied to the pro-capitialist and pro-neoliberal ALP. That the present Unions NSW can be persuaded or pushed into conducting such a campaign only covers for the ALP?s deliberate hamstringing of the unions as effective organisations in defence of workers’ immediate interests."

The approach involved in this line article in Direct Action is completely useless from a number of points of view. It implies that nothing can be done short of the RSP becoming the leadership of the workers movement. That is not going to happen in the immediate future, or ever, if that approach is adopted.

It takes no account of the shifts in the workers movement and the bureaucracy and it takes no account at all of the development of a certain centrism in the workers movement in recent times. Rather than the bureaucracy being an absolutely fixed category, in these circumstances the crisis of leadership in the workers movement, reflected in falling union membership and the attempt to drive union influence out of social life in Australia, has actually produced a certain healthy centrism, dare I say it, a leftward moving centrism in the unions and by extension in the ALP.

For deep historical reasons it doesn?t take the form that the RSP group would like, of automatically swinging over to accept the leadership of the RSP. It takes the form of a vigorous rebellion within the historically defined ALP-trade unions set-up, spearheaded by the unions in NSW and the flashpoint of which is the struggle against electricity privatisation.

Corresponding to that, an unusual figure, John Robertson, has ended up as the leader of Unions NSW. Ironically, he became secretary because his worst immediate predecessors, who played such a reactionary role in the trade union movement, headed off to what they thought were greener pastures in business and politics.

Robertson over a period of years has set about renovating Unions NSW, easing out the more reactionary time-servers and building a broad union faction committed to more or less traditional trade union and industrial and labour politics, which can be roughly summarized as getting the best deal you can for your members by mobilising the unions as a cohesive industrial force and using union muscle in ALP affairs.

Owen Richards and others like him will say that is not the socialist revolution, but from a socialist point of view it beats the hell out of the immediately preceding set of arrangements, and it frightens the hell out of the ruling class.

The reason it frightens the ruling class is that it is an absolutely serious material obstacle to the neoliberal projects of the ruling class. A historical analogy that is appropriate is the rise of the CIO in the United States.

The CIO was initiated by a bunch of rather unlikely union bureaucrats led by the union bureaucrat of them all, John L Lewis. The revolutionary socialists, Trotskyists, and communists of the time, after considering the matter, threw themselves into building the CIO despite its bureaucratic leadership, and that became the decisive development in the American working class for a whole historical period. Not the socialist revolution but an enormous leap in the class struggle.


The actual struggle against electricity privatisation

On the socialist left, I am possibly the greatest sinner of the lot in the struggle against electricity privatisation. I have been involved in the struggle since day one, both in the ALP and in society at large. I have argued pretty vigorously for an open agitation, involving the ALP, the Greens, community groups and socialist groups, but have also fought very hard for recognition of the practical point that the careful collaboration with Unions NSW and the trade unions in general and with those Labor parliamentarians willing to stick their neck out is essential for victory in the struggle.

The struggle so far has been contradictory and uneven. It has had, so far, a number of very progressive results. The first result has been that it has in practice consolidated the implicit bloc between the unions in NSW, from both right and left backgrounds under the hegemony of Unions NSW, around an entirely healthy centrist program in the current conditions, of defending unions and workers interests against all comers, including if necessary, Labor governments.

This has polarised in practice both Labor party internal factions, the Socialist Left and the Centre Unity faction between on the one hand, a group based on unions and branch activists, and on the other a group based on the more reactionary ministers and politicians. This polarisation has now broadened throughout the Labor Party in NSW.

The older factional alignments are still not quite in the past, but the current operative factional division is the one between the unions and the ALP rank and file, and now even the ALP head office machine on the one hand, and the reactionary clique that runs the Labor cabinet, with the support of the big end of town and the media on the other.

In this battle, throughout the workers movement, people are choosing sides as we speak. The overwhelming majority of the rank and file in or around the workers movement are broadly speaking choosing the progressive side in this battle and leaving those on the right, and even significant numbers of hacks drawn from the ALP left, stranded. The right wing minority of the left is has become nakedly a left face for the Costa-Iemma government and the plans of the big end of town. In this battle there is also an aspect of the whole trade union movement entering into a defensive struggle against the reactionary aspects of the Federal Labor government on industrial matters.

In NSW, the Labor Against the Sell Off/Power to the People agitation has played a useful role. It was initiated by ALP rank and filers and ALP trade unionists and has now broadened to establish relationships with community groups, Greens and those socialist groups that can see what day it is, in a broad mass movement.

In the recent weeks, the collisions in the ALP parliamentary caucus have sharpened, not diminished and there is very little sign of anyone on the trade union side drawing back from the struggle against electricity privatisation.

It is a fact that this struggle is proceeding in the contradictory and frequently less than industrially militant way in which struggles are often conducted in the labour movement in a defensive period.

However, any socialist who can?t see that there is a real struggle proceeding in which one side is defending the interests of the working class, in however limited a way, and the other side is attacking the interests of the working class, is blinded by an underlying, misleading doctrinaire approach.

At this point, it is worth noting the recent victory of the rail union in a wage dispute. One would hardly call the leadership of the rail union the most socialist leadership in the workers movement. In the past that leadership has often contained and held back struggles when it should not have, but nevertheless, for that union leadership a sticking point has been reached on the question of redundancies.

That union leadership with all its limitations has been fighting redundancies for quite a while. It has become quite obvious that a number of hangers-on of the rightwing state ministers who have constructed their lousy little careers around the labour movement, are quite determined to crush the rail union if they can, and one of those types has even said so semi-publicly. One can imagine the bitterness of the ranks and leadership of the rail union when they saw the report of the anti-union statements by that particular go-getter, whose career was actually assisted in the past by his presence in the Centre Unity group.

The divisions between the unions as a whole and the government, are now very wide and very deep, and everyone can see it. There is broad sympathy even in the community at large for the struggle of the rail union against the government, and fortuitously for the rail union, the period of enterprise bargaining wage negotiation just happened to coincide with the international Catholic religious festival that was commencing.

Notwithstanding the fact that he himself is a quite religious Catholic, Nick Lewocki and the rest of the union leadership took advantage of the fortuitous circumstances to stand up the government on the wage negotiations and the threatened redundancies. Despite the government?s hysterical threats against the rail union and the madness of the bourgeois press talking about industrial terrorism, when the government went to the lawyers they found they could not do anything against a legal strike in a bargaining period, so the government caved in forthwith.

That union victory in a current struggle is certainly not the socialist revolution, and it has been achieved by judicious industrial tactics in a relatively non-militant way. Nevertheless it is a considerable victory for the workers in the industry in their struggle for wages and no further redundancies and it has considerable significance for the labour movement and the broader working class because it revives the idea that unions can achieve things even in the current bleak industrial climate.

Writers in Direct Action can prattle all they like about their dubious story that nothing can be achieved while the present leadership of the labour movement exists, but the fact of the class struggle demonstrates something completely different. (It?s worth noting the strategic approach to this dispute by John Robertson and Unions NSW, who are up to their ears in the rail dispute. The day after the union victory in the dispute, Robertson wrote an article for the reactionary Daily Telegraph, which the Murdoch editors felt obliged to run despite the fact that for the preceding two or three days the Telegraph had been denouncing the rail unions and Unions NSW as ?industrial terrorists.

Robertson quite properly implied that the industrial dispute had not been directed at the Pope, or the Catholic religious festival but was dictated by industrial necessity. He went on to welcome the Pope and the religious festival but he used the occasion to invoke his interpretation of Catholic social doctrine and the implicitly pro-working-class aspects of it, and served up this interpretation gently but firmly to the visiting Pope, the pilgrims, and by implication to Cardinal George Pell.

The subtlety of Robertson?s approach in this article impressed me mightily and it is in stark contrast to the peculiar antics of some alleged socialists who seem to think there is something leftist about dredging up from the primitive past the Anglo-Australian ascendancy’s traditional bigoted slogan of no Popery.)


Getting back to the electricity privatisation struggle, Richards repeats the story pioneered by the anti-socialist so-called World Socialist Web Site, that the struggle against electricity privatisation will inevitably be defeated. He is prepared to countenance an outside possibility (gee whiz, thanks Owen) that we might defeat it this time by more conservative methods of struggle, but of course the ruling class will try again and eventually win.

It was JM Keynes who said in the long run we are all dead. That throwaway line from Keynes has a certain application to the class struggle in all its forms. It is worth considering that electricity privatisation was defeated 10 years ago in a quite non-revolutionary way by the normal methods of mobilising a majority of the state conference of the ALP against it.

It took the ruling class 10 full years to cajole a compliant Labor ministry to try again. If we defeat it on this occasion, as is beginning to look increasingly likely, the reactionary forces peddling the privatisation are likely to be so bruised by the experience that they will be cautious about trying it again for quite a while. The by-product of that situation will be to increase the self-confidence of the ALP rank and file and of any class-conscious or liberal elements in society, that such things as further privatisations can more easily be defeated by some sort of mobilisation.

The dark Third Period reactionary pessimism of Comrade Richards on this question underlines is a complete dead-end.

In developing this sectarian moralizing and presenting it as socialist principles the comrades of Direct Action are bit like the Bourbon kings who are said to have learned nothing and forgotten nothing. In fact they are a bit worse than the Bourbon Kings, because they seem to have forgotten what they ever knew about the labour movement, the working class and the class struggle.

I own a bound set of the first 60 or so copies of the old Direct Action, which the old DSP produced after they split with me and my supporters back in the early 1970s. Those first 60 issues were in fact pretty good papers because they took up the day-to-day questions of the class struggle in a fairly concrete way from a broadly Marxist point of view. Even after we split apart way back then we shared a pretty well common view of not adopting an ignorant doctrinaire approach to the workers movement.

The new Direct Action has largely abandoned all that in favour of what the French Marxist leader Daniel Bensaid described as moralising sectarianism, which he said was the besetting sin of some Marxist groups. Bensaid was obviously right about that and his striking phrase still applies.

A further consideration is that I am completely baffled by is the question of who the producers of the new Direct Action think will respond to this moralising sectarianism. Where is the working class or left-leaning audience for that stuff?

It doesn?t exist, because in so far as people resist the reactionary neoliberal forces that are rampaging in society, they are looking for concrete and scientific solutions to their problems. Telling the people who are rebelling, of whom there is an increasing number, despite the conservative nature of the period, that they have to hang around waiting til a new socialist leadership establishes itself as the dominant force in the workers movement, was always nonsense from a Marxist point of view. It is a formula for sterile, hopeless isolation followed by disillusionment in the current difficult circumstances.

The worst aspect of this approach is that it is a formula for abstention in most important spheres of current working class struggle. For instance, I have made a point of letting a couple of people in the Direct Action group know about meetings of the electricity privatisation agitation, and I have said that even allowing for the fact that they are getting their organisation up and running, some of them should come along to participate in the agitation.

Well, they have never turned up, and now the political reason for that is a little clearer. They are developing what is implicitly a theory of abstention prettied up by left talk about the need for a real socialist leadership ? ie them. The difficulty with that is no socialist leadership in recorded history has ever been constructed seriously such abstentionism.

Why should the working class or any leftward-leaning people pay the slightest attention to you when all you do is lecture them in a very grand way, and attack their existing organisatoins, even when the leadership of those organisation is are doing partially good things? The notion of training your supporters in the actual struggle, learning from the struggle, and adopting a united front strategy, is completely alien to this kind of political approach. It has nothing to do with the mature Marxist politics of past socialist leaders. People like Lenin and Trotsky, James P Cannon and James Connolly would turn in their graves at such doctrinaire nonsense being peddled as Marxism.

Bob Gould is a Sydney bookseller who has been active on the left for more than 50 years. He is a Marxist and a member of the Labor Party.

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Comment by Dave Riley

July 14, 2008 @ 12:28 pm

Well Bob, all I can say is: welcome to a window on the minutiae of the two and a half year very long factional struggle inside the DSP.

But you  certainly soured on this left newbie in double quick time!

 

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Comment by Shane H

July 14, 2008 @ 5:55 pm

Well Dave when you demanded to know what the RSP position on the ALP position was I told you it would turn out to be EXACTLY THE SAME as the DSP’s. So you can hardly be surprised at Bob’s critique. Come to that they have the SAME program and as the other thread on this site shows are impervious to any criticism

Shane 

 

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Comment by Michele

July 14, 2008 @ 8:08 pm

When comrades talk about the need for unions to break from the pro-capitalist ALP, Bob says “It seems to me that socialists who find that their strategy approximates to the strategy of the ruling class ought, if they had any sense, immediately re-examine their strategy.”

I may not have read as many books as Bob but I would have thought that the socialists that find themselves in the same party as bosses are the one that need to re-examine their strategy!

It should be incumbent on people like Gould, and the union leaders who continue to support the ALP, to answer just one question. How far does the ALP need to go before we withdraw our support?

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Comment by SP member

July 15, 2008 @ 1:29 pm

For Bob Gould, from the upcoming issue of The Socialist.

Most union leaders still cling to the coattails of the ALP. They tell members that, while not perfect, the ALP will ease the pain on workers compared to the Coalition government.

When looking at the Australian Building and Construction Commission (ABCC), the statistics show otherwise.

The ABCC boss, John Lloyd, boasted to the media in July that “in 2008, the ABCC’s activities have increased (since the election of the ALP Rudd government)…the number of investigations have risen compared to 2007.”  Site visits from the ABCC have increased from 15 last November to 109 in June.

Unions were investigated 73% of the time, employees 11% of the time, and in only 7% were head contractors looked at. Now the ABCC is trying to jail Victorian CFMEU Senior Vice President, Noel Washington.

In other words, workers throughout the country mobilised to get rid of the Howard government in order to stop the assault on workers’ wages and conditions. The result was a Rudd ALP government. In the construction industry things have got worse.

The Socialist Party thinks unions should disaffiliate from the ALP and establish a new mass, democratic workers’ party.

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Comment by omar h

July 15, 2008 @ 6:30 pm

I think Bob is right to say that the (effective) slogan of “nothing short of revolution” is… not useful.  I also think it’s counterproductive to mislead workers by arguing for a new workers’ party as if that party would result in a different outcome in and of itself.  (Unless you mean that unions should establish a mass revolutionary socialist party, a slogan which has the unfortunate drawback of being absolutely unfeasible in this period.) 

Given our strength atm I think we should be making revolutionary arguments based in concrete issues and struggles that crop up independently of us, not seek to create left-sounding struggles of our own – especially ones that don’t have an obviously useful outcome.  Sure, it would be great if the unions disaffiliated with the ALP and moved towards a) the greens or b) created something explicitly oriented to the working class, but this would be a symptom of something deeper.  To put it another way, it is not something that will happen based on the agitation of a couple of hundred socialists.

Even if it did, then I can’t see how affiliating the labour movement to an organisation that is more or less occupying the political space that the ALP used to fill achieves anything. In fact, in a period of serious struggle it might even be a step backwards to argue such a line.  We could imagine Bolstralians arguing that workers should build a revolutionary party and Menstralianas arguing that workers should join the greens, or build a new parliamentary party.

A move to split from the ALP would probably be a reflection of a broad increase in the class struggle.  In the absence of such a trend I see no reason to spend energy advocating for it.  Furthermore, doing so confuses the issue: what we need is a revolutionary party, not a new workers’ parliamentary party.  To not be clear on this issue is dangerous, and could lead to serious problems in a period of crisis.

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Comment by SP member

July 16, 2008 @ 11:09 am

Omar

The Socialist Party has a much more sophisticated position than just calling for a new workers party. I will not rewrite all the points here because we have actually written a pamphlet on the issue. For those who are interested in reading it online it is published here.

www.socialistpartyaustralia.org/archives/1293

 

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Comment by Bob Gould

July 17, 2008 @ 12:15 am

A number of people from the DSP have ignored the bigger questions that I raise in my article above and instead taken up a passing remark on the NoToPope coalition, together with a few things I said in conversation with a couple of DSP people in Newtown.

In my view, socialists and Marxists are children of the enlightenment and we fight for issues such as abortion rights, the rights of gay people, for stem cell research, and I don’t resile from any of that.

I also totally oppose the strengthening of the repressive apparatus of the capitalist state in all its forms and I’m pleased that Rachel Evans and her friend won the case in the High Court to partly quash the latest extension of laws to restrict civil liberties.

Nevertheless, I oppose anything that calls itself NoToPope, and I’m against any demonstration attacking any religious festival, including the World Youth Day.

Firstly there’s a tactical consideration. Socialists should challenge the capitalist state in a considered way. I defend anyone’s right to demonstrate, but I will only lend my support to actions that are called with some judgment and common sense. I support large demonstrations against visiting imperialist leaders or business leaders or politicians engaged in acts against the working class. I’ve been involved in many such demonstrations, the most recent being the protests against visiting imperialist leaders for the APEC summit.

Even in that case, I favoured concentrating the fire on the major imperialist leaders and not oppressed Third World countries, whose leaders were present for reasons of diplomacy and trade.

I totally oppose demonstrations against major events of any religion, and I’m most bitterly opposed to demonstrations against Islamic events because of the pressing current issue of Islamophobia.

For similar reasons, I oppose demonstrations directed at this enormous Catholic religious event and I oppose insulting the religious views of Catholics by handing out condoms at religious events, in the same way I oppose handing out condoms at, for instance, Friday prayers at a mosque.

Obviously the current priority is to fight Islamophobia, but you live in a fool’s paradise if you think anti-Catholic prejudice is entirely dead in a country that orginated in British imperialism, such as Australia.

The Catholic working class, and even a section of the Catholic middle class have always been part of the oppressed in Australia. Newer Catholic migrants from countries such as the Philippines, Vietnam and other places are in fact among the most oppressed.

My political outlook is based on the need to unite the working class and the oppressed rather than to divide them on religious lines.

One of my main objections to Cardinal Pell is his tendency from time to time to stir up Islamophobia, and one only has to look at the Fairfax press to see the way it implicitly invokes traditional Anglo animosity to Catholics. Inflaming such divisions is the work of the ruling class, not socialists.

In internal conflicts in the Catholic church I favour progressive Catholics, such as the Josephite nuns, Frank Brennan, Sir William Dean, the current Jesuits, and the Catholic priest at Mt Druitt who quite rightly objected to the massive expenditure on some of the ceremonial regalia for World Youth DAy. He pointed out that the money would be better spent on poor parishes such as Mt Druitt.

I also have great respect for Bishop Manning of Parramatta, who spoke at the rally against electricity privatisation at Parliament House.

Most of these progressive Catholics are involved in one way or another in World Youth Day as a religious event despite their misgivings about the right-wing policies and practices of people and organisations such as the present Pope, Cardinal Pell, Opus Dei and the neo-catechumens.

A wholesale general attack, with abusive overtones, from outside the Catholic church inevitably has crude anti-Catholic overtones, even to progressive Catholics.

I also, as a former Catholic and a person of Irish heritage, have an aesthetic and cultural distaste for kicking Catholics in this way, with all the overtones that it invokes from the reactionary history of Anglo-Australian society.

The Catholic mass was banned in NSW for the first 10 or 15 years of the colony, and Protestant bigots tried to ban St Patrick’s Day in Melbourne during World War I because of Archbishop Mannix’s activities against conscription and in favour of Irish independence.

My reference to Ian Paisley to Wombo in Newtown was quite considered. When the last Pope went to Northern Ireland 20 years ago, Paisley was frothing at the mouth about the Pope being the whore of Babylon. This theme was taken up a few days ago by the Christadelphian church in a quarter page ad in one of the Sydney papers, indicting the Pope and Roman church as the anti-Christ in the Book of Revelation.

A NoToPope coalition, which involves a bloc with the Atheist Society and the Raelians (the people who think there’s a spaceship parked behind the moon waiting to take us all away) is a reactionary, lunatic political stunt.

There’s no mileage for socialists in starting a religious war with anyone. Our business should be to unite the working class and the most oppressed.

I’ve just had a pilgrim in my shop this evening, a young man from Northern Ireland, a rather religious student of theology at the Irish National University, who bought a few books on religion, and a book criticising religion in relation to the theology of the devil.

I asked him about politics and he turned out to be a supporter of Sinn Fein and a great admirer of Martin McGuinness (he lives near Derry).

I went last night to a Socialist Alternative meeting on the trade unions. A bit to my surprise, the approach to trade unionism was quite sensible and the lecturer tried to explain all aspects of the trade union struggle. This caused my to revise my view of Socialist Alternative a bit.

Towards the end of the meeting, when the demonstration against the Catholic religious festival on Saturday was mentioned, one of the rank and file piped up quite stubbornly saying he opposed the whole idea of the demonstration. I agreed with him and said so, and my view was quite well received.

Di Fields, one the Socialist Alternative leaders, also spoke and it seems there has been a fairly vigourous discussion about the matter, because she said activities should be concentrated against the Iemma government and the reactionary anti-protest law, but she opposed politically attacking the pilgrims and the Pope.

She also referred to a demonstration a few days before on indigenous questions, which turned out to be small, but which was substantially expanded by members of a Jesuit-influence lay Catholic group from about eight countries.

She ended on the note that attacking the pilgrims and the Pope was crazy and we should be trying to win allies among the pilgrims. I agree.

There’s clearly a serious discussion going on in Socialist Alternative circles about the wisdom of endorsing the World Youth Day stunts initiated mainly by the DSP.

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Comment by Chris M

July 17, 2008 @ 10:20 am

Hey Bob was going to start a thread on just this myself. But will post my thoughts hear tonight when I have some more time.

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Comment by liz

July 17, 2008 @ 11:37 am

I must admit, I have enjoyed the anti-Popery precisely because as an ex-Mick, I want someone to pay for the horrible years I spent at Catholic primary school… But I suppose at some stage I should act like a grown up and get over it.

 

So I think Bob is probably right in some respects. Not that sure about the oppression of Catholics in today’s Australia (except in the sense that Catholic school teachers have been forced by the viciously anti-union Pell to reorganise the entire school year and provide minimal supervision to what will probably turn out to be an orgy of Roman proportions when they put all the Catholic school kids together at Randwick racecourse for a sleepover – in this sense I support the handing out of condoms, as do many of the teachers who don’t really want to deal with the baby boom or the STDs), but about the potential alliances with lefty Catholics, I agree.

 

There are plenty of lefty Catholic groups who as Bob has indicated, are also opposed to the festivities because of the disgusting pomp and waste of money (a Catholic school teacher I know who was at the Melbourne Telstra Dome thing was quite impressed by the show they put on last week, aesthetically, but disgusted by it at the same time in terms of money spent), and also because Pell represents everything that is wrong with the Catholic Right – including his protection of abusive priests, and his attacks on the independent teachers union, which he is famous for (didn’t stop the ACTU having him on a big screen in support of one of the your rights at work rallies – you could hear the VIEU contingent baying for blood in the back rows – funny that they never invite Imams to speak at those things, though there are many who work with local unions and talk about work rights at mosques out west in Melbourne….)

 

I think alliances with people who believe in spaceships are not that useful. I think what could have been useful, as I indicated in an email to organisers, would have been taking up some of the industrial issues for teachers in the way that this thing has been dictated by the priests. Not just the messing around with the school year, but the supervisory issues that are coming up around the event now: for example, 1 know of one school group being put up at a Catholic school in Sydney, they have meals there in the morning and then the place is shut until 8pm. There is no place for kids who are feeling sick or under the weather to go to except hospital – the teachers and the nuns who are supposed to be supervising 30 other kids are freaking out about how to manage these kind of issues, as well as the looming proposect of the orgy at Randwick, while Pell and the boys are busy selling Catholic fridge magnets…

 

I’m not sure I see the value in trying to win allies amongst the blow-ins, but I think winning allies amongst the local pilgrims could be facilitated by taking up some of these things. I am actually really surprised that the VIEU has said nothing about the way the cardinals have dictated a change to the school year, and the very real pressure that schools and teachers have been placed under the find a certain number of pilgrims from each school and the way their concerns about the safety of the kids whilat in Sydney and supervision have been swept aside.

 

I think that alliances could have been built better with some of the sex abuse victims groups and others who think that you can be Catholic and use a condom, as well as queer Catholics. These are real and very large movements of Catholics trying to change the most reactionary elements of the Church, which Ratso and Pell represent. And I tend to agree that the focus should be on Iemma and the dodgy anti-police laws too. Also the horrible stuff about homeless people being moved out of Sydney for WYD..

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/07/15/2304626.htm

– in this respect the victory of Rachel and co in court is really really important.

 

But I do think that you can and should attack Ratso and Pell without necessarily alienating huge numbers of Catholics – the progressive Catholics do it, and we should support them! The lefty Jesuits, the nuns in rural south australia who were the backbone of refugee and anti-deportation work – these are definitely people to have alliances with. The anti-Pell and Ratso forces even within the church are huge. Supporting them would I think be a good start…

 

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Comment by Wombo

July 17, 2008 @ 1:50 pm

Liz:

“I think that alliances could have been built better with some of the sex abuse victims groups and others who think that you can be Catholic and use a condom, as well as queer Catholics.”

Which is, I believe, exactly what has been, and is being, done. Most of the media focus has been on the usual suspects (atheists) and the extremely unusual suspects (raelians), but the NoToPope coalition already contains some of the groups you mention (eg gay catholics), and is getting in contact with those others (abuse victims groups, for example).

Understandably, not all of those groups would necessarily want to take part in this Saturday’s action, but we are still trying to work with them on a broader level.

That said, there are plenty of progressive catholics (and other religions) out there who we could probably all be in greater contact with (and not just around WYD). And I agree, having the Raelians on board Spaceship NoToPope probably isn’t the most useful in some ways, but if they’re willing to contribute constructively, should we discriminate?

Bob’s attacks on the NoToPope are largely of the same vein as his attacks on the DSP - “they couldn’t POSSIBLY be in touch with any of these groups, because they’re the wacky far-left, not residents of the holy land of the ALP”. Reality conveniently replaced by faith. The only holy war here is Bob’s against the DSP - he deliberately ignores the issues around the protest and tries to turn it into some kind of quasi-religious anti-Papist stunt. Bob appears to be spreading his defence of the ALP to cover the Catholic Church as well…

Noone (with the possible exception of Bob’s imagination, and perhaps people like the Christadelphians) is out to start a holy war, however. I had a friendly discussion with 5 pilgrims on the bus this morning, where I brought up the protest, and the issues being raised. A couple of them were a bit reluctant to engage, but the others were supportive of the right to protest (although I’m not sure they were in favour of this one), and we had a good debate about condoms and abortion.

We agreed to disagree, but (see – Bob’s not the only one capable of anecdotes) I’m fairly sure we left on amicable terms. Given that the Resitance Centre in Chippendale is all of 100 metres from the registration site for WYD, I’m not sure we’d survive any holy war anyway…

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Comment by Tony I

July 17, 2008 @ 2:01 pm

We’re not in Northern Ireland 20 years ago.

 www.notopope.com

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Comment by Tony I

July 17, 2008 @ 2:07 pm

Sorry, in my apoplectic rage i stuffed up the links.

www.notopope.com

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Comment by Tony I

July 17, 2008 @ 2:18 pm

Third attempt. If this doesn’t work I’ll assume that God is protecting his rottweiler.

www.notopope.com 

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Comment by Norm Dixon

July 18, 2008 @ 7:44 pm

Liberation Theology was an outgrowth of a revolution within the Catholic  Church and the example of the Cuban Revolution. A new model of revolution, the Bolivarian model could spark a new growth in Liberation Theology. The Bolivarian Circles are essentially base communities where the Venezuelan constitution is the basic reading.

Full article http://links.org.au/node/528
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Comment by Chav

July 19, 2008 @ 7:43 pm

Speaking of Popes and protests, check out this angry little Catholic!

Hehehe…

I must say though, that is one of the most gentle and polite arrests I’ve ever seen at a demo…the cops practically caress him into the Divvy van.

 

p.s. Bob, its okay, I was raised Catholic myself (but I got over it).

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Comment by Ablokeimet

July 21, 2008 @ 1:29 am

The question is not whether to split the unions from the A.L.P., but how.  And on this issue, I’m closer to Bob Gould than I am to either the D.S.P. or the R.S.P., though perhaps not terribly close to either.

A friend of mine in the E.T.U. says that it’s one thing for the unions to form a labour party, but it’s a lot harder for them to hold onto it.  And this is the beginning of how to approach the question.  The union bureaucracy supports the Labor Party because it is their party.  Unions which disaffiliate in protest at some appalling Labor Government action inevitably come back at some stage, because affiliation is a mechanism to influence the party.  In the absence of a Left alternative, disaffiliation is actually a shift to the Right and allowing the parliamentary careerists to have unchallenged control of the A.L.P.

The question of the Labor Party came up in my union a year or two ago.  The C.P.S.U. officials, long aligned with the “Socialist Left” of the A.L.P., decided to break from nine decades of union policy of non-affiliation and affiliate to the Labor Party.  C.P.S.U. and its antecedents had historically refrained from affiliating to the Labor Party on the theoretical grounds that a union covering the Public Service should be non-partisan and the pragmatic grounds that many of our members actually vote Liberal.

By 2006, however, 8 years of the most militantly anti-union government in Australia’s history had forced the C.P.S.U. officials to revise their thinking and decide to affiliate to the A.L.P.  And, true to their bureaucratic form, they sprang the proposal on Governing Council with about three days notice.  The first anyone outside the officials’ clique heard about it was when the agenda papers landed on GC members’ desks.

The rank & file Left in C.P.S.U. mobilised in opposition, but our arguments varied.  Because we are a small opposition in an industrially weak union, and had hardly any time to organise, we were ridden over.  There were three tendencies which I detected mobilising:

(a) Socialist Worker.  They opposed the affiliation proposal, purely on democratic grounds.  It had not been put to the members for their approval.  They said, however, that if it was put to a plebiscite,  they would campaign in favour of it.  They saw it as a means of talking politics amongst the members and dragging them (a little) to the Left in stepping up the struggle against Work Choices.  And, to be truthful, the struggle against Work Choices in C.P.S.U. desperately needed stepping up.  Our employer had written the rules which they were now using against us, so we were in more s**t than a Werribee duck.

(b) Socialist Alliance.  They opposed the affiliation proposal, basically along the same lines as the ones set out above by the R.S.P.  The lack of a plebiscite was a supporting argument.

(c) Myself.  I opposed the affiliation proposal, primarily on democratic grounds, but also on the grounds that it wouldn’t achieve what we would want it to achieve – sufficient influence in the Labor Party to be worth the members spending our dues on the affiliation money.

In my arguments, I was careful to distance myself from the line of the Socialist Alliance (though I didn’t mention them by name, since it was the argument rather than the organisation which was significant).  S.A.’s line (and now the R.S.P.’s, which is identical), is simply to ignore the arguments in favour of affiliation, in favour of saying “The Labor Party is a bunch of sell-outs, so we shouldn’t affiliate”.  The problem is that this neither stops the sell-outs nor builds an alternative.

What I said was that affiliating was about getting the Union a voice in the Labor Party and it was on this basis that the question should be decided.  It was not correct that affiliating would give the Labor Party a voice in the Union.  This is because the Labor Party already has a voice in the Union.  His name is Stephen Jones (see: tinyurl.com/5u7fpo ).  Getting rid of that voice would require tossing out the incumbent officials.  The substantive problem with affiliation (as distinct from the procedural one about democracy) was that the A.L.P. structures were no longer sufficiently democratic for C.P.S.U. to gain influence that was worth the affiliation money.

My arguments contributed to my Section voting to direct our Section Secretary to vote against affiliation unless it had been put to a plebiscite.

As I noted above, we were weak, had almost no notice and so got rolled.

The strategic question here is what should revolutionaries in A.L.P.-affiliated unions do?  I believe we should not campaign to disaffiliate, because doing it that way would be a step to the Right.  Instead, we should campaign for three things:

(a) Significant union policies should be decided by the members;

(b) If the union is affiliated to the Labor Party, the union should fight for its policies inside the Labor Party (this includes democratic internal procedure); and

(c) The union should fight to hold the Parliamentary wing of the Party to Party policy.

What we have seen in the electricity privatisation struggle is a successful attempt at (b) and an attempt still in process at ( c ).  In this case, (a) wasn’t relevant, because there was no division of opinion between the officials and the members on the question of privatisation but, as I argue below, this is an unusual situation.

For once in their lives, the N.S.W. A.L.P. machine has chosen the right side of a struggle and this should be recognised.  This is not to say that their methods of conducting the struggle are correct – if I lived in N.S.W. I’d be arguing for strike action to enforce the decision of the State Conference.  Rather than denouncing the Sussex St machine in advance for being a bunch of sell-outs, however, I’d be demanding that they show they were serious about defeating Ieamma & Costa.  In particular, they should be declaring that anyone who rats on the Conference decision would be expelled from the A.L.P. and thus automatically lose pre-selection.

The present electricity privatisation struggle is extra-ordinary in the way the forces have lined up.  It is far more usual for Sussex St to back whatever pro-business atrocity the State or Federal Labor Government of the day is pushing.  And it is here that the logic of the strategy I have outlined above comes into play.  Its main focus is actually on mobilising support in the working class for a popular working class issue (as people on the Left usually do, to varying extents).  If the union adopts the policy, it must then fight for it.  If the union is affiliated to the A.L.P., it fights for the policy in that arena as well.

The crux of the matter is that the major fault line in the struggle is within the labour movement is not between the Laborite union bureaucrats and the Parliamentary wing, but between the Laborite union bureaucrats and the rank & file.  The Accord, which did more damage to the working class than Work Choices did, was supported by virtually the entire Laborite bureaucracy (and the dissidents were then crushed).  The struggle against Laborism is, first and foremost, the struggle against the union bureaucracy, and arguing for disaffiliation is actually a diversion.

The present electricity privatisation struggle is significant in its own right, but its longer term context is set by its role in legitimising working class struggle and the attempt by workers to intervene in the political process themselves rather than just choose between whatever bunch of ratbag politicians the media offer up.  It is a great step forward for working class democracy and will come in very handy in future when the Laborite officials try to find some way to allow a Labor Governement to ignore working class opinion.  A victory here against Iemma & Costa would result in workers being more likely to take on unpopular Labor Government policies and more likely to win.

The trajectory of the strategy I outlined above would lead to a split between the Parliamentary A.L.P. and the working class.  Given the historical ties between the Laborite bureaucracy and the A.L.P., this bureaucracy would need to be defeated to bring the struggle to a head.  I would expect that, in the event of a clash on a vital issue at the national level (e.g. war), the A.L.P. would react by breaking the union-Party link themselves.  In these circumstances, however, the unions would not be stepping Rightwards into abstentionism, but Leftwards into direct political intervention.  It is in this situation of general working class mobilisation, therefore, that the question of a political alternative to the A.L.P. can be answered constructively – and concretely.

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Comment by thr

July 21, 2008 @ 7:07 am

Interesting comments, abloke. Of your three suggestions, it seems to me that a) is by far the most important, namely, that members directly decide union policy, rather than union careerists setting narrow parameters of debate, tinkering about meaninglessly on the edges of intervention, etc.

However, in the absence of a major clash, is there any reason to predict a split between ALP and unions in the near future? If not, what are your thoughts on how to get to direct intervention, since it’s often the lack of this latter entity that wards off non-members and demoralises current ones.

Also, why aren’t more unions flirting with the Greens?

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Comment by Ablokeimet

July 21, 2008 @ 10:15 pm

T.H.R. has hit the nail on the head.  By far the most important component of this strategy is part (a).  It’s the core of revolutionary work in the workplace – the struggle to turn the unions into fighting working class organisations by promoting a radical democracy in them – and, in the process, necessarily taking on the conservative bureaucrats who run them.  It’s where my orientation as a class struggle Anarchist creates the opportunity to work with people from the International Socialist tradition, with their emphasis on “socialism from below”.

On the question of a near-term split between the unions & the A.L.P., I don’t think it is even a remote possibility.  Without a massive working class mobilisation, a split would leave the unions with nowhere to go – or at least nowhere anywhere near as useful to the officials as A.L.P. affiliation.  This is especially since union office is now increasingly merely a step on the career path of a Labor hack on the way to Parliament.  The split will come when the rank & file revolt – and not before.  Unfortunately, that split is not yet on the horizon.  Labor history tells me though, that big changes often come suddenly, so I’m not ruling anything out for more than the next three years.

How do we get the direct intervention of the working class into political life?  We had a minor & bureaucratically controlled version in the Your Rights at Work campaign.  It gave the workers the one thing they all agreed on – the end of Howard & a promise to trash Work Choices and replace it with something “fairer”.  We’re seeing a less-controlled version in N.S.W. over electricity privatisation.  It is politically more advanced, since the campaign is being waged against a Labor Government, but is also unusual since it features a rare line-up of forces (while it’s not uncommon for the unions & the Parliamentary wing to fall out over something, it’s very rare both for Sussex St to line up with the unions and the rank & file to be mobilised as well).

As I said above, I can’t see anything drastic happening in the near future.  On the other hand, I think the best chance is to go back to basics and fight over wages.  This is because the economy is being put into low gear and the working class is being expected to pay for a crisis patently not of its own making.  There was no wages breakout and no strike wave, but we’ve still got inflation on the rise and the bosses’ solution is still to insist on real wage cuts.  And Rudd will back them.  This is an issue which I think will build for a few years before it really takes off, but I think it has the possibility within it to turn politics in this country around. 

And finally, the reason more unions aren’t flirting with the Greens is that the commonality of views between the union bureaucrats and the Parliamentary wing is often underestimated.  Union officials who adopt neo-liberal policies when elevated to Parliament have seldom had a revelation on the road to Damascus.  More usually, they’ve been increasingly uncomfortable at having to resist “sound economic policy” for “the economy as a whole” due to the necessity to defend the “sectional interests” of their members.  Getting into Parliament is merely an opportunity to show how they were really clever little neo-liberals all along.

Basically, many union officials don’t regard their members as entrusting them with a high vocation in defending their rights against capital, but instead as a stepping stone on their personal road to greater things.

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Comment by thr

July 24, 2008 @ 12:24 am

Thanks for you comments, abloke. Do you have a blog? If not, why not?

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Comment by Bob Gould

July 24, 2008 @ 12:38 am

The DSP leadership’s ugly venuture into religious bigotry.

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Comment by Chav

July 24, 2008 @ 10:53 am

Thanks for that Bob, I think you make some excellent points in relation to the NoToPope coalition. Although I find it hard to believe that Filipino and Vietnamese Catholics are oppressed in Australia because they are Catholics. Hyper-exploited and treated like dirt in low-wage jobs because they are Asian I can believe, but not so much on the basis of their religion.

An excellent article on the topic can be found here. 

 

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Comment by Norm Dixon

July 24, 2008 @ 11:27 am

The Daily Telegraph reported 2000, and several people who counted got around the 1500 mark. So it’s safe to say there were over 1000. The video of the “pilgrim” who got arrested (can’t find the link) actually gives a good idea of the size of the rally.

Gould’s post is downright embarrassing. Not a mention of the key slogans around the which the protest was organised — ie against the Catholic heirarchy’s bigotry against women, gays and the third World poor. And this somehow get’s turned into religious bigotry against Catholics. Not a word about his authoritarian party’s attempt to ban the protest and the excellent court victory which will becomes a precedent in the defence of democratic rights in NSW.

And Gould’s claim that the protest was awash with Raelians is as bizarre as the RSP’s lies and crazed Groupthink over this question, on which he seems to be relying. Gould thinks anybody in a colourful costume must be a Raelian! It simply displays Gould’s (and the RSP’s) deepening conservativism that equates open opposition to Church’s homophobia, mysogny and AIDS denialism as a “religious” attack on Catholics.

Are the Greens religious bigots too, Bob? They spoke at the rally too …

http://www.newmatilda.com/2008/07/17/anything-declare

Aside from the rather macabre gastronomic appeal of Catholic relics, only one person in NSW Parliament raised the issue of bio-security. Greens MP Sylvia Hale asked whether any precautions had beingtaken regarding the importation or public showing of the human remains. In response, Ian MacDonald — with all the grace one would expect from the Honourable Minister — sarcastically replied “I think I should do the right thing and refer the question immediately to Tony Burke, who is in charge of the Australian Quarantine Inspection Service, which is responsible for bio-security issues — particularly the importation of corpses from Italy”.

The Greens received no serious response, although Hale stressed to newmatilda.com that they are more concerned with more than $100 million of State funding for an organisation that holds questionable policies on contraception and abortion than the “Catholic fascination with worshiping corpses and body parts”.

“We will say to them, ‘Take up the campaign within the Catholic Church to promote condoms.’ We’re not planning to get into any trouble. We don’t want to condemn Catholic youth for being Catholics. We want to condemn the Pope for being homophobic and anti-condom.”

Ms Evans, 33, who represents Community Action Against Homophobia and whose father was a Uniting Church minister, said the coalition would notify police of its route in the next couple of days but she feared the NSW Government “wants to be heavy-handed with protesters”.

She said the Pope’s teachings contributed to 67,000 women dying every year from backyard abortions and a suicide rate among gay youth that is seven times the average.

“He is clearly a bigot … many in the Catholic Church are also raising these issues, condemning the Pope for his hateful ideas.”

“Anti-Catholic” quotes from protest organiser (and DSP member) Rachel Evans, from a SMH article.

 

 

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Comment by liz

July 24, 2008 @ 1:33 pm

Thanks for the post Norm.

I found it difficult to work out from here what was actually going on , as I saw minimal coverage of the actual demo. Rachel’s comments as reported in the media seem pretty good.

 And I think I agree with Chav about the reason behind the hyper-exploitation of Asian workers – you will find Buddhists, atheists, Catholics and Uniting Church-goers amongt the underclass of outworkers, but the vast majority are first generation Asian migrants and that is what they have in common – their relationship to borders, not to God…

And I hope that there will be ongoing work, as Wombo alludes to, with some of the abuse survivors – the response to that, particularly to the parents of those sisters who were abused, is really what set off some of my Catholic work colleagues (who actually thought sneaking the kids at Randwick some condoms would be a mighty fine idea).

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Comment by Norm Dixon

July 24, 2008 @ 3:07 pm

Perhaps the lack of coverage outside Sydney has fed the strange interpretaions of the protest. Comrades can look over the ``raw material’’ on the demo—precisely the ``evidence’’ used by Bob Gould and others to denounce the protest—and make your judgements.

See the post on the Sydney Socialist Alliance blog
(www.socialist-alliance.org/sydney/)
for some images of last Saturday’s successful NoToPope rally.

The same YouTube (images of the rally backed by Rory McLeod’s “What
would Jesus do?” can be watched here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgzLdalvfsg

More YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ7YZIjo7tY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOw-0UiYmnA

Still images:
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/friendlysocialist/NoToPopeRally/photo#s5224652300421788466

http://flickr.com/photos/c23gooey/sets/72157606256458471/show/

Green Left Weekly report:
http://www.greenleft.org.au/2008/759/39237

NoToPope Coalition bills the Catholic Church:
http://picasaweb.google.com.au/grrrach/NoToPopeCoalition/photo#5225381376289004258

 

 

 

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Comment by Jill

July 24, 2008 @ 4:24 pm

I can see that this is, in some ways, a tricky issue but I simply cannot understand Bob’s support for the argument that we shouldn’t ”politically attack the Pope”. How on earth could we criticise his views on condoms and same-sex relationships and all the rest of it without attacking him politically?

I also read Bob’s other post at OzLeft which is completely over the top. Whatever criticism you might have of the Sydney demo (and I don’t really know anything about it – others should comment) I hardly imagine that it was a “pogrom” of “bigots”.

There probably is room for a discussion about how best to relate to workers with religious views (although, let’s be honest – there was never going to be any significant dialogue between the Sydney far-left and people who travel across the world on a pilgramage with the Pope, was there?) In any case, I don’t think Bob’s post, with its usual hyperbole and insults, provides a very useful starting point.

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Comment by Ablokeimet

July 24, 2008 @ 9:25 pm

T.H.R.:

Thanks for you comments, abloke. Do you have a blog? If not, why not?

1. No

2. Neither my I.T. skills nor my time budget are up to it yet.

There is, however, a web site for a little group I’m involved in:

melbourneanarchistcommunistgroup.org/

There were some technical difficulties earlier this evening, so I can’t guarantee it’s on the air if you go there tonight, but it should be OK soon.

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Comment by Liz Thompson

July 25, 2008 @ 6:05 pm

A great way to relate to workers with religious views would be to support the staff and students of RMIT in their weekly prayer-protest, Fridays at 12-ish at RMIT City in Bowen St.They are still going strong and Liam is doing great work recruiting people to the union through support for the demo. I finally got down there today and it is mighty impressive!  

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Comment by Red And Black student

July 28, 2008 @ 5:22 pm

I don’t think approach really deals, at all, with the realities of the class struggle in Australia, and the state of workers.

It argues for joining and supporting “Traditional workers organizations ” simply for the sake of it, and acts as if these both still represent the workers, and that the working class is willing to but up with the absurdly bureaucratic, and in many cases, class collaborationist, and in cases of the SDA, bourgeois control of the unions.

 The fact is that union numbers are dropping because of this. There is 1 in 10 workers in a union.

1 in 10.

I am one of the 1’s, who will soon join the ranks of the other 9 because my union doesn’t give a shit about me, and I’ll gladly tell those who lie to my face about it to stick it, because dishonesty wont protect me and my co-workers; it will have the opposite effect. And being a member for the sake of it just costs me money.

Working people here are not stupid, and your approach is insulting to all of us. 

What is needed is a radical approach to unionism, and to politics. One which is truly revolutionary, and which working people will feel empowered.

 This dishonest approach that asserts that we can make changes to the bourgeois political structure within the bourgeois political structure negates any realist approach to capitalism and the bourgeois state. 

Power, for working class people, does not exist within the structures of the government – such an approach negates the class struggle, and the nature of capitalism – it exists outside of it, it exists in the factories, and in our communities: and its from there that we must rise from; its there where our power lies.

 What needs to be organized is a revolutionary union, which refuses collaboration with the bourgeois parties, and those who pretend to represent the interests of the workers, such as the Labour party, and which will by all means defend and uphold the interest of the workers, because it is run and managed by them.

 Anything that falls short of a revolutionary approach will fall short of success.

 

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Comment by mark

July 28, 2008 @ 9:05 pm

What would be the “transitional” steps toward the setting up within industry of the revolutionary union you have mind? On the community level at the moment we see quite bit of evidence of powerlessness in workingclass areas- eg  no resistance to current massive surges in rents for housing. 

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Comment by Liz Thompson

July 29, 2008 @ 5:11 pm

I’m not sure if there is a magic transitional formula – it’s why I don’t really have much time for approaches related to Trotsky’s transitional program – but I think that the debate around the left about this stuff is pretty stale without much in the way of real examples of what a different approach might look like.

I like to think that the cabbie struggle could turn out to be something different – in fact it already has I suppose. Because those workers – international students, non-citizens – have so few friends in trade union world and student world, the possibilities for co-option are few. They can’t sell out cos nobody is buying, to put it crudely. And in the end that is what gives their struggle so much potential, so few restrictions, despite the risks and the crackdowns (there were co-ordinated multi-departmental “safety” raids conducted in May, just after the strike – only reported quite recently)

The problem arises more in areas where there is contestation with the union bureaucracy – it is here that the left becomes pretty paralysed by how to relate to workers without access to the bureaucracy – so we worry ourselves either with alternative leadership slates, or just pressing for more radical demands come EBA time. I have done plenty of both…

I like to think that as revolutionaries maybe we should be worrying ourselves less with contesting the same terrain as the union bureaucrats – EBA negotiations, election time – and start testing our self-organising capacities in other areas that unions these days seem to have no idea about: recruiting young people, international students, casuals, informal migrant workers, homeworkers, etc, all of whom have a more complicated relationship to the labour market than the Fordist time clock around which the union bureaucracy organises – a relationship complicated by borders, citizenship status, family status.

That is not to say that we should ignore EBA negotiations or union elections – not at all. Its just that there are so many possibilities to learn how to organise ourselves outside of EBA negotiations or union elections, and what I think is interesting is precisely that it has taken the NTEU doing very very little for Muslim staff outside supporting the prayer room struggle to get people to join. If a union as lumbering and conservative as the NTEU at RMIT can do this, anybody can.

I suppose this is what interests me about the SP’s Unite project. I don’t see it as some kind of roaring success. But I think we might learn more about effective and revolutionary organising by taking the kind of risks inherent in that project and pushing them further. We could hardly do any worse than we are now in terms of audiences for radical ideas within traditional union spaces or struggles….

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Comment by dave latham

July 29, 2008 @ 8:13 pm

Let’s get a grip here.  Union bureaucracies are a problem of course, but the very fact that union bureaucrats can’t be got around is indicative of a low level of combativity and an emaciated rank and file.

In fact conservatism in the trade union movement goes beneath the officials and bleeds into the delegate structure.  The real impediment often to union activity is to win over the more important secondary layer of delegates who have cleaved to the officials in lean times. 

Often union members are to the left of the officials and delegates but can’t spill them or challenge their position due to the simple fact that there aren’t enough people to assist in arguing for a co-ordinated approach or campaign. A practical way to get around that is to assist those in struggle.  Union Solidarity is great for supporting struggles already happening, but might look at helping argue for action also.

I am trying at the moment to get people to sign a petition calling on the unions associated with Telstra to call for industrial action.  I have had no problems where I’m located in getting people to sign the petition, but I can’t get around Australia and other suburbs.  Whoever can help, let me know.  See my address on Telstra post.

Red and Black student:

The class struggle won’t advance by resigning from your union. Feel free to go around your officials if you can, but if you can’t manage that, the only signal you send by resigning is that unions are useless.

 

 

 

 

 

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Comment by Liz Thompson

July 30, 2008 @ 9:05 am

Hi Dave, I agree with you to a certain extent about the delegates. But I also think that the declining level of union membership and rank and file combativeness needs to be addressed in other ways. I think the petition you’ve got happening is great – I just don’t know any Telstra employees. All the call centre workers I know are working for subcontracted companies like Salesforce or UCMA (I think that’s what its called – that call centre on the corner of Williams and Flinders – mostly filled with international students getting yelled at by Telstra customers who think they’re yelling at workers in Bangalore) who lost things like penalty rates years ago. The age and composition of the workforce also means most of them have never actually experienced penalty rates in their other jobs and don’t realise what they’re missing.

I was interested in the side agreements for that reason – I’m assuming that’s for Telstra employees on individual contracts, as opposed to agreements that determine the conditions of companies that Telstra subcontracts to (like USMA and Salesforce)?

Anyway – I agree that often there aren’t enough members to assist to spill a conservative leadership. But in my time at RMIT working on branch committee, a truly horrendous experience, I got to watch union membership decline further and further as more people expressed the kind of opinions of red and black student. We used to have a pretty active membership base, which was so horribly disillusioned by the EBA process which went for 3 years. We actually won votes to take more radical action – but the union bureaucracy simply dragged its feet and we werent’ really confident to try to pull anything off without them – didn’t have the numbers, weren’t really sure where to start. And the active delegates were not ready to do anything without the union’s approval in the terrible Howard times. I think we made stacks of mistakes to learn from…

Union solidarity is also great, but limited by its perceived need to keep the union bureaucracy on side – so its not exactly what I think is needed in terms of experimenting with things outside of the union bureaucracy altogether – though I definitely think it should be supported. I think its actually the only thing that is going to reverse the decline, as the unions seem quite determined to fudge and fiddle their way out of existence, popping their heads up only when there are good redundancies to secure for the long-term members (which is important of course, but kind of weird that the union is so focussed on its own golden handshake, and cushioning the blow of its own slow death through redundancies when they are hardly recruiting at the other end).

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Comment by Liz Thompson

July 30, 2008 @ 9:07 am

Arrgh! somebody explain to me why my formatting never works! So frustrating 

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Comment by Ablokeimet

July 31, 2008 @ 10:42 pm

Red & Black Student:

This dishonest approach that asserts that we can make changes to the bourgeois political structure within the bourgeois political structure negates any realist approach to capitalism and the bourgeois state.

Firstly, I’d like to thank Red & Black Student both for their gratuitous attack on my integrity and for falsely attributing views to me.  A word of warning, though – people who do that sort of thing often find others returning the favour.  Proof of my contention is easy enough to find on this site.

Anyone who goes back to read what I posted above should see that the approach I am advocating is actually focused precisely on working for a break from the bourgeois political structure.  The key to doing this, however, is to work for it to occur as a collective act, not an individual one.  This is why the strategy of leaving the “reformist unions” and going off to build “red unions” is a complete dead end, as all experience in English-speaking countries since 1945 has shown.  You only ever get a handful of radicalised workers doing it as individuals.  It never happens collectively.

The reason the “red union” strategy fails is that the operations of the capitalist economy today make workers feel powerless as individuals or small groups.  Only by acting together in vast numbers can they can only have any confidence in their ability to achieve anything.  Leaving the “reformist unions”, however disgusting the situation in them is, means leaving behind the mass of as-yet-unradicalised workers to the bureaucratic manipulations of the Laborite officials.  In order to defeat the bureaucrats, we have to be on the battlefield.  We have to be in the unions.

This does not mean, however, we should play by the rules of the Laborite bureaucracy.  Our strategy shouldn’t be to take the place of the officials (though if an admittedly unlikely opportunity comes up in a given union to do so on a principled basis, we should take it up), but rather to build rank & file power at the base.  An essential point in the argument for this is that workers will learn far more in struggle than they ever will by intellectual argument without struggle.  The perspective this is leading to is for a collective split from the bureaucracy, so that the workers afraid of being left to face capital alone are forced by their own logic to accompany their more radicalised comrades into the heat of the struggle.

It is only by this sort of strategy that a real Anarcho-Syndicalist union federation can be built.  The other strategy is a recipe for building Potemkin villages which will fool nobody – except, perhaps, the people building them.

Secondly, I get very annoyed by people who speak like this (emphasis added):

I am one of the 1’s, who will soon join the ranks of the other 9 because my union doesn’t give a shit about me

What I’ve been saying consistently to people in my workplace and outside for the last 30 years is that “the union” is not the people at Branch Office. “The union” is us, the workers on the job who have decided to stick by each other.  The officials are people we employ to facilitate our solidarity – and, because we’re not active and organised enough (yet), we have discovered that the officials are running things.

This is more than mere wordplay.  It is part of a strategy to get out of the helplessness of average rank & file worker and to connect with workers when they are feeling at their most militant. Further, it is a social truth, regardless of the actual written rules of the union concerned.

In workplaces like mine, where there is a mix of union members and non-members, I find that there is little difference between them on questions concerning wages and conditions.  The big difference is on the question of whether there is any point in sticking together, on whether solidarity can make a difference.  The members say YES and the non-members say NO. Joining the union, therefore, is an statement of confidence in solidarity.  It is saying “I’ll stick by my workmates and I’ll put my money where my mouth is”.  It is the first and most vital step down the road of class-consciousness.  Everything else revolutionaries do in the workplace builds on that, so it is totally counter-productive to adopt a strategy based on trying to get workers in a given workplace to join a different organisation to their more conservative comrades – no matter how radical its official structures or policies might be.

And a final point on the nature of unions as being the membership rather than the officials.  It can be demonstrated in practice through democratic organisation by union delegates.  When delegates ensure that they are seeking instruction from the members and that the positions they take to the employer or to “higher” bodies in the union are those decided by the members, they are demonstrating in practice that “the union” is the membership.  In these circumstances, intervention by the officials seeking to impose a different outcome is experienced as a violation of union principles.  Labour history is full of examples of this.  If the workers want to stick together and have an objective they want to achieve, they will see Left dissidents as “good unionists” even when they’re tearing strips off the officials.

What is necessary is to have faith in the working class.  At the moment, most workers don’t want to fight, for reasons that are too involved to set out in this post.  If you don’t fight, however, you lose.  And eventually people give up on ideas that lead them to outcomes they don’t want.  Some day (and I believe it will be a lot closer than most people think) the tide will turn.  And when it does, we need to be in the unions, struggling at the base, and setting a good example.

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Comment by Rose

August 1, 2008 @ 7:01 pm

“Joining the union, therefore, is an statement of confidence in solidarity.”

A simple, yet profoundly true statement, abokeimet. And the fractures, sectarianism within the Marxist, revolutionary, call-it-what-you-will left, is also a related statement or species of the failure of class solidarity.

 

 

 

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Comment by Red And Black student

August 4, 2008 @ 3:49 pm

Ablokeimet, my post was more directed at Bob than you. 

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Comment by Red And Black student

August 4, 2008 @ 4:29 pm

Damnit, I can’t edit my post.

 I wasn’t attacking your integrity, or anything. Apologies if I came off harsh- my annoyance is more directed at Gould.

Ablokeimet, good post, and I agree with you on alot of points, but I think it kind of negates the point that union membership in this country is extremely low, and declining. As I said previous, 1 in 10 young people (15-24) are members of the union.

The unions in this country, the yellow unions – do they even represent more than half of the workers?

I know in some industries (like construction) there is a much larger number of union members than in others (like the service industry, which is, although one of the biggest, is tiny in comparison to the amount of service workers), and that (the former) is positive; I know also that like the Fire Fighters Union and the MUA have radical leaderships, and so on.

But the inadaquecy of the latter can’t be made up for in a simple reelection of delegates within the structure of the union.

Indeed, the ties of the union to the bourgeois political structure are what weaken it, and often, as we’ve all seen, the union toes the party line; and the bureaucrats misrepresent the workers, completely.

 

I’m not in favour of abandoning unionism, but picking up from where the ACTU has left off and caused so much havoc, but not with a yellow union, but with a revolutionary union – a union modelled on the likes of the CNT (Spain) or SAC (Sweden).

The size of the ununionized workforce in this country gives a new revolutionary industrial union plenty to start from, and the examples set by comrades over seas – like the CNT (now boasting between 10-15000 members [an increase from 6000 a couple of years ago]) – give us a way to change the way we approach the class struggle in Australia.

 

The problem with anarcho-syndicalists in this country is something else, though. Why is there an ASF and an ASN?  Why are there so many previously active syndicalists, now wilting away, inactive, or active in useless, bordering on trivial activities? Why are there syndicalists who constantly slander and help to keep the division between syndicalists strong in this country?

Why did the proposal for a regional federation lack any real involvement from the syndicalist groups, whether ASN, ASF, Rebel Worker or otherwise?

The problem with the anarcho-syndicalists here is our approach to each other, and all of these silly divisions. Not one of them is bringing forward syndicalism as a real alternative to capitalism and the yellow unions.

I mean, we act like bloody Trotskyists! 

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Comment by Ablokeimet

August 4, 2008 @ 9:27 pm

Red & Black Student:

Apologies if I came off harsh- my annoyance is more directed at Gould. 

Apology accepted.  It would be a good idea to be more specific in future, though about the contributors being criticised.

As I said previous, 1 in 10 young people (15-24) are members of the union.

Actually, the original statement did not have the qualification referring to age.  It was:

There is 1 in 10 workers in a union.

Here are the latest figures:

http://tinyurl.com/6bvlab

For the workforce as a whole, it’s 19%.  That’s bad enough, however, and the union bureaucracy has little idea about how to turn the tide.  The problem is, however, that going off to form a separate union federation like the C.N.T. or S.A.C. won’t work.  In fact, even if it would “work”, it would be a step backwards.

The reason it would be a step backwards is that the model of unionism that prevails in places like France, Spain, Italy and similar countries is completely pernicious and antithetical to working class solidarity.  Instead of uniting workers according to their common material interests, it divides them by political affiliation.  Therefore, you get union federations affiliated to each of the various parties in the labour movement, with the political differences between them becoming substantial barriers to industrial solidarity.  The Spanish C.N.T., like the C.N.T.(F) in France and (to a lesser extent) the S.A.C. in Sweden, are effectively just playing the same game.  The result is that unionisation figures in countries where workers are seriously divided by political affiliation are even worse than in Australia.

In English-speaking countries, the approach has traditionally been different.  The unions have formed federations based on having everyone in together, regardless of political affiliation.  What divisions exist are almost always due to industrial strategy or occupational factors and have been considerably less – and had less impact on solidarity on the ground.

In the U.S., the I.W.W. formed and took the shape it did basically because the A.F.L. refused to organise anyone except a small stratum of lily-white skilled workers.  In Australia, where arguably it had more influence than in the U.S., it didn’t organise on the basis of “leave the bureaucratic Laborite unions and join us instead”.  Rather, it organised as a rank & file insurgency within the established unions.  It meant taking on the bureaucrats, without sabotaging (or giving the bureaucrats a pretext for sabotaging) industrial solidarity in the process.

Indeed, the ties of the union to the bourgeois political structure are what weaken it, and often, as we’ve all seen, the union toes the party line; and the bureaucrats misrepresent the workers, completely.

I’m not in favour of abandoning unionism, but picking up from where the ACTU has left off and caused so much havoc, but not with a yellow union, but with a revolutionary union – a union modelled on the likes of the CNT (Spain) or SAC (Sweden).

Statements like this make me uncomfortable, since they underestimate the dimensions of the problem.  In fact, it is in a sense a re-phrasing of Trotsky’s famous statement that the political issues for the wor